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Showing posts with label Gueudecourt. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Gueudecourt. Show all posts

Saturday, November 4, 2017

101st Anniversary - Gueudecourt Attack

Plaque erected November 5th 2016 - for the 100th Anniversary

Today is the 101st Anniversary of the attacks near Gueudecourt, France undertaken by the 1st and 3rd battalions at the 'Triangle' and the 25th, 26th, 27th and 28th battalions at the 'Maze'.


I have included images of the memorial garden the people of Gueudecourt have now created on the Forum on the November 5th website.

Thursday, September 22, 2016

November 5th 2016 Commemoration Plan

My plan for November 5th this year is as follows:

1. Meet at 11am at the French memorial in the middle of Gueudecourt.

2. Meet with the Mayor by 11:30am at the mairie.
Unveil the plaque, have a couple of speeches and there may be other items as well.

Anyone my follow me with the rest of my plan -
3. Go to the Bayonet/Hilt Trench area where the 1st and 3rd Battalions attacked where a wreath will be placed.

4. Go to the area of the Maze attack and lay a wreath.

5. Go to Villers-Bretonneux Memorial.

The battlefield (where the 1st and 3rd Battalions attacked)
French soldier memorial in Gueudecourt

Villers-Bretonneux Memorial


Wednesday, November 18, 2015

A Wonderful Surprise!!



Last night around 9:15pm I received an email from my contact in France that informed me of some fantastic news ...

Some of you may remember last year (or even the year before) I wrote that I was planning something special for the 100th anniversary but I didn't want to say to much in case I couldn't pull it off - well after the email last night I am feeling comfortable enough to let you all in on my special thing. 
This is where the battle for the 1st Battle occurred.





Back Story: 
After my last visit to Gueudecourt for the 95th Anniversary I had the crazy idea that I wanted a monument or plaque erected either right next to the battlefield or in Gueudecourt that commemorated our dead soldiers, especially those still buried on the battlefield. Even though I REALLY wanted this I never thought I could achieve any thing. Though over the last couple of years with the aid of my contact in France I have been trying to achieve something - I had decided at this point in time I wanted a plaque in Gueudecourt. The last thing I did a few months ago was directly write a letter to the mayor of Gueudecourt which my contact passed on for me.
WELL ...




... GUESS WHAT?
The email last night said that the mayor of Gueudecourt had agreed for a plaque to be erected on the wall of the 'mairie'.





 SO ...
This means I need to get busy now organising the creation of this plaque and getting it to France in time for 100th anniversary.

Thursday, November 5, 2015

99th Anniversary

Ninety-nine years ago today Australian soldiers were involved in an offensive near Flers and Geuedecourt, France. 





 Thomas (my great-grandfather) and his fellow Australian soldiers of the 1st and 3rd Battalion attacked a 'triangle' just near Geuedecourt, France. Unfortunately a number of them were wounded and/or died during this attack.


This is an attack map for the 'triangle' attack on November 5th 1916

A little further along the front the 25th, 26th, 27th and 28th Battalions were also involved in this offensive. They were attacking a section called 'The Maze' and a larger number of these soldiers were wounded and/or killed then involved in the 'triangle' attack.

This is photograph of the original attack plan for the November 5th offensive.

 
 




Unfortunately for a number of the soldiers killed (especially in the 'triangle' attack) they remained un-buried where they fell until early March 1917. 






Friday, July 31, 2015

NEW WEBSITE


As of early this morning I have made my new website go live!


I have transferred over everything that was on the old site and will be adding new research (information, maps and photographs) about the November 5th 1916 attack. I have expanded my research to all the Australian battalions involved in this attack.

Saturday, April 26, 2014

ANZAC Day 2014

Again this year I went to the local ANZAC Day service followed by attending the gathering at the local RSL. This year my brother joined my dad and I for the first time. Also this year I wanted to lay a wreath for the Thomas and the other 1st Battalion soliders of November 5th, something I haven't felt like doing for a few years - mainly because I had thought after the last time I laid one I wouldn't do it again until I could lay one at their memorial on the battlefield.

My wreath.
Instead of having something made, I made it myself (see the picture to the left). I made it out of Rosemary and tied the Battalion patch colours at the bottom.

Dad and I took it up the wreath and laid it on the memorial together.

I have to admit while doing this I was thinking that the next time I lay a wreath it will be in France over their graves (on the battlefield) - I hope. Mind you I still need to wait 2 years.

Wreath at the local memorial.

Monday, November 4, 2013

97 years

Today it is ninety-seven years since Thomas and the other soldiers were killed on the battlefield near Gueudecourt. In three years I will be standing at the spot - hopefully unfailing a plaque to them and sharing the moment with other families. Unfortunately their burials didn't take place for another four months.

Monday, September 30, 2013

Actual Attack and Burial Site

Over the two trips I have made I have come close to the actual attack and burial site of the soldiers. On many different maps I have been able to pinpoint and highlight the areas but have never had a photograph. Thanks to Google Maps now having the street view options for the area I am looking at I have now got an actual image of the burial site and attack area.

The area surrounded by the blue line during the war linked up and made Bayonet Trench. The area marked with red is where they attacked from. The area surrounded by the pink line is Hilt Trench. The green arrow is pointing roughly to the co-ordinate given in the military files. The yellow line shows the area where the soldiers would have died and been buried.  The road makes up part of what was called Fritz Folly.

The above map shows the actual attack and burial sites. In 2016 when I go back for the 100th anniversary of their death I will be stopping here and if there are no crops in and the weather permitting, I hopefully will be able to walk out onto this or at least up hilt trench.

This is the same image as above, however without the coloured lines.


Monday, July 29, 2013

Memorial at Gueudcourt

After my last visit to Gueudecourt for the 95th anniversary of the death of Thomas and the other soldiers I decided that for the 100th I REALLY want to place a plaque in France commemorating them and the battle they lost their lives in.

A couple of months ago I decided to start to try and make this happen, I have contacted someone in France in the hope they can help me and I have started saving money for the plaque.

I have to admit in a perfect world I would be able to get the plaque I have imaged (and drawn) and it would be placed right near their burial site. I know I am going to have to settle for something else, but I will not settle for anything less then a plaque recognising the battle and the loss of lives.

I may have already posted the following previously on here - My image of the perfect plaque (or monument) to Thomas and the other soldiers would be the return of what was placed for them when they were originally buried (though in stone) - A simple cross bearing all their names. I have to admit when I told my family and friends most were a little confused (confused might not be the right word) as I am far from religious, but I feel it is only fitting that the cross be returned. I know others may not feel this way.

I will post updates on what happens when things occur (hopefully).

Monday, November 5, 2012

96th Anniversary

Yesterday was a double sad day for my family. A year ago I was in France with my mother to be at Thomas' death site 95 years (to the day) of his death. At the same time of this commemoration my mother's father passed away in Australia.

So this year November 5th was a time to commemorate my great-grandfather (Thomas Rutherford) and my grandfather (Frederick McPaul) deaths.


This photograph was taken by me on November 5th 2011 and it shows the area where Thomas and the others are still buried today.

Sunday, April 8, 2012

100th Anniversary

I will be going to Gueudecourt for the 100th anniversary on November 5th 2016. If there is anyone who would like to join me at Gueudecourt and visit the field where the 1st Battalion soldiers are still buried meet me in Gueudecourt at the monument at around 10am (this time may change closer to the date).

Monday, November 14, 2011

95th Anniversary

I have just come back from visiting the Somme. On November 5th 2011, I stood amongst the Gueudecourt battlefield and where Thomas and the 1st battalion soldiers were killed 95 years earlier (and some are still buried there today). It was so quiet while I was standing there looking around.

It was good to be able to "play" the battle attacks on the land instead of looking at maps and trying to visualise it. I took photos of the battlefield and will be placing them on the website.

While visiting the Somme, I also went around to every cemetery and/or memorial which had the 73 soldiers and photographed their headstone or name. I will be placing these pictures on the individual soldier pages on my website (hopefully over the next week).

Sunday, April 24, 2011

ANZAC Day 2011

I attended the local Piangil Service today and laid some hibiscus flowers (from my garden) with the burial co-ordinate written on the wrapping.

I am currently watching the Villers-Bretonneux drawn service. It has been a little surreal (maybe not the correct word) because while I am listening to /watching this service - knowing that Thomas and the other soldiers names are there (actually they just showed their part of the wall on TV) I am replying to two new sets of family members who has just contacted me.

Saturday, April 23, 2011

November 5th 2011, Gueudecourt, France

95th Anniversary

This year on November 5th it will be 95 years since Thomas and the other 1st battalion soldiers were killed.

I had hoped to return to Gueudecourt (I was there with my dad in 2006 for the 90th anniversary) and go to where (I now know) Thomas and the others are buried (on the battlefield).

Well, with some planning I have booked and paid for my trip and I will be standing on/near their graves on November 5th this year. I have also organised (hopefully) to visit all the cemeteries and memorials where all the 1st battalion soldiers are buried or have their names commemorated. I will take photographs of their names or graves and place these onto the website on the individual soldier's pages.

Saturday, April 24, 2010

ANZAC Day 2010

I was the guest speaker at my local ANZAC Day Commemoration Ceremony. I have copied my speech below:

Hi I'm Leeta. Some of you know me and some don't. I have become a First World War researcher in particularly looking at the 1st Battalion A.I.F and a battle which took place on November 5th 1916 near Gueudecourt.

What does ANZAC day mean? What does it stand for? For some people, they believe we should not hold such a day as it glorifies war, but having the freedom to express such ideas is part of what it stands for, for me. For the rest of us it is a time to remember those that have come before us and those long lost who sacrificed their safety and their lives for us.

It is time to remember a nation finding its feet, taking its first steps into the world as one country. It is time to remember our fathers, grandfathers, great-grandfathers and uncles who we will never get the chance to know as they died fighting in a foreign land or came back with part of themself forever hidden from the outside world and from those who weren’t there.

I have to admit growing up ANZAC Day didn’t mean as much to me as it does today. Being a child who didn’t have any living relatives that had fought I didn’t have a strong emotional attachment to this day. I knew my pop was in World War 2, but didn’t feel anything. This is a problem that as time goes on more and more Australians will face. My emotional attachment to this day has changed because I have had the chance to get to know a man who died 63 years before I was born. My grandfather grew up knowing of this man but not knowing him, as he was only 3 years old when this man went off to war and 4 years old when he died. I am talking of my great-grandfather.

A couple of you know part of the story of my great-grandfather and what I am trying to do for him and other 1st battalion soldiers. He was killed in action near Gueudecourt, on the Somme November 5th 1916. Four months later on March 3rd 1917 he was buried along with other soldiers of the 1st Battalion, A.I.F where they had fallen. Unfortunately due to continued fighting the cross erected in the middle of their graves vanished. In 1919 when the military went to the coordinates of the March 1917 burials they couldn't find most of the graves, so these men were classed as having no known grave and had their names placed on the walls at Villers-Bretonneux and Canberra.

In trying to find and prove where my great-grandfather lies today I discovered the stories of lives whom in Australia would never have crossed and now are forever linked. I unfortunately learned of the horrific ways men from both sides died, as well as some of the bravest things done to help a fellow soldier. I have quite often paused and tried to imagine what it was like for them in the war and in the trenches, and asked what were they thinking when they went over the top.

A poem I have come across in my research comes to mind whenever I do wonder what they were thinking. It is called ‘The Men on your Left and Right’ and I will read it for you now:

The Men on your Left and Right

By Robert De Groff 4/25/08

"It really don't matter what side you're on, Son"

The Sergeant says to me

I listened real close for I was a lad

And not even twenty-three

"You were sent by your Country, or God or King

It's a soldier's lot to die

So I'll tell you what you're fightin for"

And he looks me in the eye

"For freedom", says I.

"That's probably it!"

"Or maybe to save mankind!"

"Or to keep the world all safe and sane

And make sure it don't unwind"

"For your Family and Home and your Flag so dear!"

I knew I had it at last!

I heard the shells scream overhead

And the trench shook from the blast.

The Sergeants eyes they held me still

My own stayed open wide.

With a click, he fixed his bayonet

His head shook side to side.

"No Lad", he said.

"That's just not it.

That's what them civilians think.

A soldier's thoughts are simpler still",

And he gives me a quick sad wink.

"A soldier's got no time to think of such grand things ya see.

No King or Queen in this here trench.

Just the Lads, and you, and me"

"You fight for the men on your left and right.

It's just as simple as that.

Now load yer rifle, tighten your belt

And don't forget your tin hat."

"If you're still alive tomorrow" he says

You'll long remember this day.

You'll remember the men on your left and right

When you hear the pipers play"

"So on your feet Lad,

It's just about time

Wipe that mud off your pistol sight.

We're in for it now, so le’s give 'em Hell

We may see it ourselves tonight!"

He smiled at me then and chuckled no doubt

At my brief patriotic vent

Then the flare gun went off, and I blew my whistle

And over the top we went.

I would now like to take a moment to consider the men honoured on this cenotaph and all the others they stand for. This cenotaph stands for all the wars long gone and unfortunately those yet to come.

The following is a poem I wrote about this cenotaph.

Memorial

By Leeta Rutherford

A memorial stands alone among a dried out lawn and gravel,

Backed by plants and a near by cannon,

Guarded by two empty flag poles.

To the left, to the right and behind life goes on,

A tennis court, growing gardens and buildings,

Everyday living though the noise seems dulled.

You stand in front of this memorial and you can hear,

The wind rustling through leaves, little birds singing a soft song,

And chimes softly being played by the wind.

Flags are flown,

Half mast once yearly,

A ceremony to commemorate as well.

About fifty people,

Sit, reflect, remember and cry inside and out,

In front of this memorial, this stone.

The brave men of the district,

Who fought and lost in both World Wars,

Are immortalised in gold writing, in stone, in the memorial.

Their stone, their memorial is a place for thousands to be remembered,

For one to be remembered, for tears and reflection,

This year while I sit in front of their stone, their memorial,

When I cry for my great-grandfather and for my pop,

I’ll make sure I spare a tear.

I’ll spare a tear for those who fought and died in World War 1 and 2

I’ll also make sure I spare a tear for those who fought and died in other wars.

And I’ll make sure I spare a tear for the families affected.

To end today I just wanted to touch briefly on why ANZAC day is held on April 25th. Not many people realise the full reason for why April 25th was chosen for our day of remembrance. People believe it is because this was the day 95 years ago that the ANZACs first stepped into the First World War at Gallipoli. This is part of the reason, but not the whole reason.

Three years after landing at Gallipoli April 25th 1915, the Australians fighting on the Western Front were involved in a decisive attack which some say turned the war towards its end and towards the British Imperial Forces winning. This attack happened very early in the morning of April 25th 1918 near Villers-Bretonneux. Because of the Australian’s success in this attack at Villers-Bretonneux and their involvement at Gallipoli, April 25th was chosen as the day of our remembrance.

Thank-you so much for listening.

Saturday, December 5, 2009

Developments

It has been a while since the last post. A few things have happened since then.

Some family members have contacted me and I have begun a memorial page on the website (
http://www.november5th1916.350.com/). I have also completed and been sending out my research CD.


The new developments:
I have contacted my local federal MP and sent him my research CD and a short document (which I will post later) outlining why I believe our soldiers are buried (and still are) at/near the co-ordinates outside of Gueudecourt.

He passed everything onto the Australian War Graves and they took a look. They then passed it on to the Department of Defence History Unit who are in charge of locating/investigating unknown solider graves (they are dealing with Fromelle's right now).

Fingers cross they think it worthwhile to explore / acknowledge our soldiers, my dad asked for an investigation to see if in fact their bodies are still there, I asked for help to put a memorial up and/or recognition that they were buried there.

Denis McCarthy (who is helping me) on his last trip to France spoke to the Mayor of Gueudecourt about having a memorial
erected for our soldiers. The Mayor didn't promise he would allow it, but promised to look in to the issue and see what he could do. It turns out the farmer fields where our soldiers were killed/buried belong to the Mayor.



The photo above was taken by Denis looking South West across Hilt Trench. Somewhere under these fields my great-grandfather and the others were/are buried.














The photo above was taken by Denis looking West along Hilt Trench becoming Bayonet Trench. Somewhere under these fields my great-grandfather and the others were/are buried.

Saturday, April 11, 2009

A lot has happened

Since last posting on here, a lot has happened.

1. I have finished going through all the records/files I had and so I have completed my research.

2. I sent of 'articles' to two magazines about Thomas and the others. But I don't think I will hear back from them (as much as I would love it).

3. Two families have contacted me recently who are related to two of the soldiers with Thomas (a part of the 36).

4. It is coming up to another ANZAC Day without a memorial to the soldiers in France (a part from V-B). Right now I have settled for knowing where they are even though it is not acknowledged.

5. I have completed my website to the soldiers.

6. Contacted locate politician about Thomas and the others.




Even though all this happened I still have some things to do.

1. Finish the interactive CD.

2. Send the CD off to the local politician and the people who have contacted me.

3. Try to get something published about Thomas and the others in the media.

Saturday, January 10, 2009

Narrowing Down

I decided that I needed to concentrate on the soldiers that had unknown graves along with Thomas. I needed to stop researching all the 1st Battalion soldiers who died on the 5th November 1916 and just concentrate on those few.

I looked at the information I had already gathered and created a list (which follows).


These men died on November 5th 1916 and where buried (according to the personnel files) about 450yards N.N.W of Gueudecourt, Sheet 57c N.20 D.3.7 and are commemorated at Villers-Bretonneux
B Company
Gordon Bromley (M)
Alic Brown (R M)
William Gibney (M)
Leslie Miller (M)
Robert Miller (M)
Wallis Rankine (M)

C Company
Alan Andrews (* M)
Thomas Bannan (M)
Ernest Clarkson (M)
William Constable (M)
Robert Costellow (M)
Herbert Elmes (R M)
Reginald Flower (R M)
William Graham (M)
Charles Hambling (M)
John Harris (* M)
William Harris (R M)
John Howell (M)
George Jamieson (M)
Joseph Lanyon (* M)
Osswild McGregor (R M)
David Murray (M)
Milton Penketh (R M)
Thomas Rutherford (R M)
Horace Schofield (M)
Leslie Tiedeman (M)
Sydney Todd (R M)
Sydney Vandine (R M)
George Wallgate (* M)
Thomas Whitton (M)

D Company
James Lewis (M)

Company Unknown or Not Sure
Charles Cregan (M)
Edward Fanning (R M)
Thomas Lunn (R M)
Matthew Thorburn (M)
James Henry (M)

* No Red Cross File

R - Same burial reference as Thomas in their Red Cross File [Buried about 450yards N.N.W. of Gueudecourt, Sheet 57c S.W N.20 D.3.7]

M - Same burial reference as Thomas written on their Military File [Buried about 450yards N.N.W. of Gueudecourt, Sheet 57c S.W N.20 D.3.7]


There were some soliders that I couldn't place on the above list because the records did provide me with the same information.

# Director of graves: Buried 2 ½ miles south of Bapaume

James Charles Simington


# No exact co-ordinate found in any records for burial, just general stuff - can assume with others.

Emanuel Hansen

John Harold McIntyre

Niall Joseph Mullarkey

George Joseph Parr

Saturday, October 11, 2008

Continued Research

With continued research more information is turning up and yet it isn't. What is turning up is adding to the information of the 1st Battalion soldiers being buried March 1917. Yet the information isn't always specific - some of it is very general.



An example of the information adding to the knowledge of the burial of the 1st Battalion soldiers is to the right. This letter clearly states that William Gibney was buried about 450 yards North North West of Gueudecourt but after searching they couldn't locate his grave.


To me this letter proves that the soldiers were buried before the end of the war near Gueudecourt but for some unknown reason after the war their graves couldn't be found. One such reason could be the cross or crosses marking their graves was destroyed during the war. Also after reading war diaries I discovered that the area around Flers and Gueudecourt was bombed by the German for the following few months after March 1917 (when they were buried).


William Gibney had the same burial location in his military file as Thomas Rutherford. The record below is taken from William Gibney's military file.